Court May4 by Mark M. Redfearn in the temple court ten thousand morning glories holding back the dark Advertisements Related Post navigation ← Breath Porch → 23 comments on “Court” joanna says: May 4, 2015 at 12:33 pm what a sight that would be! [ literally or not.] I have to confess that I don’t quite understand the morning glories’ involvement in basho’s haiku. Reply Mark M. Redfearn says: May 4, 2015 at 2:34 pm We in the West are like that, I think: We want to understand everything, and when we don’t, we give ourselves over to bemusement. I’ve come to the conclusion that the chief pleasure of writing poetry of any kind is to play with language, and to let language play with us. Poems (to paraphrase the poet Archibald MacLeish) should not mean, but be. If a poem has a good sense of being about it, then I’m satisfied, even if I can discern any “deeper meaning” or “hidden meaning.” I’m convinced that Edward Lear wrote “The Owl and the Pussycat” for the pure pleasure of the way the words sounded on his tongue when he read it aloud. It begins: The Owl and the Pussy-cat went to sea In a beautiful pea-green boat, They took some honey, and plenty of money, Wrapped up in a five-pound note. And you can find the whole poem here: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/171941 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Mark M. Redfearn wrote: > Reply joanna says: May 5, 2015 at 1:08 am Couldn’t agree more. But only if we are talking about ‘real’ poetry. This is bound to be controversial, but I mean poetry where linguistic devices are not frowned upon, as they are in haiku. I have been wondering about sound and melody in haiku. We are obviously hindered by a lack of knowledge of Japanese, but even in our English versions I long for melody and sound. And of course you picked a good one there, with E. Lear. playful and melodious. Reply Bastet says: May 5, 2015 at 1:37 am Bravo … I couldn’t agree more … I more or less usually write by word association, especially with the wordles challenges. A memory may invite words that form a poem … and sometimes there’s just a lot of nonsense that wants to be written, that tickles inside and wants to get out. I write because I love to play with words and with the great puzzles we call prose and poetry. And sometimes I’m really impressed with all the “deep many layered meanings” people read in these little creations and sit back and say “Wow, and I didn’t even see it!” ! 🙂 Reply Mark M. Redfearn says: May 5, 2015 at 3:48 am Somestimes, Bastet, I think people see what they want to see. If haiku must be profound and wise, then they see profundity and wisdom. Hmm… On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Mark M. Redfearn wrote: > Reply Bastet says: May 7, 2015 at 2:50 am Mark, I always think that people see what they want or expect to see. I’ve often been very surprised to see how people interpret my poetry … Mark M. Redfearn says: May 7, 2015 at 3:08 am That’s probably about all any of us can do, Bastet: see what we want or expect. That’s why I think it’s perfectly ridiculous to analyze poetry when the whole purpose of writing a poem (as I see it!) is to create something of beauty/truth, and to invite readers to experience it with us. How, for example, can you “interpret” the Grand Canyon or any of the other great natural wonders of the world? They just “are,” and it is their “are-ness” (how’s that for making up a word?!) that we are invited to participate in through contemplation and meditation. And I stop here, because I’m getting into territory for which there is no map! On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Mark M. Redfearn wrote: > Bastet says: May 7, 2015 at 4:08 am I can’t but agree. I feel that each of us has a very particular and subjective way of looking at things .. that is the result of many complex factors which makes us all a little different one from the other, although some would like to lump us all together 😉 This is one of the reasons that I personally don’t believe in “truth” or “beauty” either because truth/beauty are subjective … this is rocky ground of course and I stand to be misunderstood … I’m just basically saying that one person’s vision of the truth or what is beautiful may not correspond to what I think is true or beautiful … which in no way makes it less true or beautiful … so, I agree, interpreting someones poetry is nothing more than saying what you’ve seen and understood, but perhaps has nothing to do with what the poet was thinking/feeling whilst the piece was being written. Thanks for this stimulating comment! And I do love your “are-ness” very apt! Mark M. Redfearn says: May 7, 2015 at 5:02 am And as a final note, “are-ness” is better than being an arse! On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Mark M. Redfearn wrote: > Bastet says: May 7, 2015 at 7:00 am There ain’t no doubt about it! 🙂 Forest Tinker says: May 5, 2015 at 2:43 am That’s very interesting. I think simplicity is also something lacking, a simplicity and clarity of thought, and a certain objective sincerity. One of the things that really sets your haiku apart, is that they are never about you. I think one or two people could sit up and take note of that. You also show respect for the reader following what you said, and not ramming some idea down a reader’s throat, so to speak Reply Mark M. Redfearn says: May 5, 2015 at 3:49 am Oh, that’s a good observation, Forest Tinker. Thanks for that one. (Now I have the weight of it to bear as I write henceforth. LOL) On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Mark M. Redfearn wrote: > Reply Jackie Le Poidevin says: May 5, 2015 at 6:29 am Like Suzanne, I didn’t get the point of the morning glories in Basho’s haiku, so I’ve had a scout about the internet and discovered they’re a symbol of mortality (because they’re so short lived – obvious really). Whereas pine represents endurance. So I guess they’re more or less opposites, which I could have worked out for myself if being able to google everything hadn’t turned my brain to mush. And I do think haiku, even if there aren’t formal rules on rhythm, meter or scansion, need to sound elegant or lyrical or melodious. Otherwise they’re just a sentence written in a peculiar way. Sometimes I think people claim to see deeper meaning to seem clever but sometimes even simple poetry can “speak” to people and sometimes you can write something and only later realise it has subconscious significance. Jackie Le Poidevin says: May 5, 2015 at 6:35 am Sorry, I meant like Joanna – what did I say about brain turning to mush? Mark M. Redfearn says: May 5, 2015 at 8:30 am Brains do tend to “mushify” when engaged in online activity too long! 😉 Thanks for your observations. I’ll try to address them at length later, when I have more time. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Mark M. Redfearn wrote: > Forest Tinker says: May 4, 2015 at 12:39 pm A startling image – and one can imagine an emperor ordering exactly that Reply Tournesol (Clr) says: May 4, 2015 at 12:48 pm What a magnificent image! Reply Suzanne says: May 4, 2015 at 4:26 pm Yes, I agree. It is a wonderful image Reply Björn Rudberg (brudberg) says: May 5, 2015 at 1:26 am I love the thought of a court of morning glory.. couldn’t be better. Reply thotpurge says: May 5, 2015 at 4:38 am Beautiful… Reply Jackie Le Poidevin says: May 5, 2015 at 6:04 am What a gorgeous image! Reply janicead says: May 6, 2015 at 10:16 pm Very nice, Mark. Reply Chèvrefeuille says: May 9, 2015 at 5:00 am WOW Mark what a wonderful haiku …. a masterpiece worthy as a tribute to Basho Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply Enter your comment here... Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Email (required) (Address never made public) Name (required) Website You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Google+ account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Twitter account. ( Log Out / Change ) You are commenting using your Facebook account. ( Log Out / Change ) w Cancel Connecting to %s Notify me of new comments via email. Notify me of new posts via email. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.